1 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:16,100 [Music] 2 00:00:46,389 --> 00:00:43,670 government-funded ufo study in france 3 00:00:47,110 --> 00:00:46,399 by charles lear many countries around 4 00:00:49,590 --> 00:00:47,120 the world have 5 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:49,600 active state-funded long-term ufo 6 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:50,320 studies 7 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:52,480 if the united states congress follows up 8 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:54,320 on the recommendation in the recently 9 00:00:57,430 --> 00:00:54,960 released 10 00:00:58,150 --> 00:00:57,440 unidentified aerial phenomena task force 11 00:01:00,310 --> 00:00:58,160 report 12 00:01:02,229 --> 00:01:00,320 that additional funding for research and 13 00:01:03,990 --> 00:01:02,239 development could further the future 14 00:01:04,630 --> 00:01:04,000 study of the topics laid out in this 15 00:01:07,030 --> 00:01:04,640 report 16 00:01:07,670 --> 00:01:07,040 the u.s may soon have won as well the 17 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:07,680 u.s 18 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:09,840 has had two acknowledged publicly funded 19 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:12,240 ufo investigations in the past 20 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:13,920 one was run by the air force under the 21 00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:16,000 name of project blue book for most of 22 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:19,759 its existence from 1948 until 1969 23 00:01:23,910 --> 00:01:22,320 and the other by the pentagon from 2007 24 00:01:25,830 --> 00:01:23,920 until 2012 25 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:25,840 as the advanced aerospace threat 26 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:27,520 identification program 27 00:01:31,749 --> 00:01:29,600 while the 21-year run for the air force 28 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:31,759 investigation may seem substantial 29 00:01:36,069 --> 00:01:33,840 the investigation funded by the french 30 00:01:36,789 --> 00:01:36,079 government has lasted more than twice as 31 00:01:39,190 --> 00:01:36,799 long 32 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:39,200 the group studying ufos in france is now 33 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:40,240 operating as 34 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:43,840 group de tud informacion des phenomen 35 00:01:49,990 --> 00:01:47,520 er especial non-attentive or gaipan 36 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:50,000 the group was first called group de tu 37 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:51,040 de phenomen 38 00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:54,240 er especial nona dentifier or gepan 39 00:02:00,789 --> 00:01:57,520 when it was started in 1977 and then 40 00:02:01,670 --> 00:02:00,799 service expertise de phenomena durante 41 00:02:05,109 --> 00:02:01,680 atmeric 42 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:05,119 or sepura from 1988 to 2004. 43 00:02:08,469 --> 00:02:07,200 kaipan operates as part of the french 44 00:02:11,510 --> 00:02:08,479 space agency 45 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:11,520 santa nacina de tud spacial or 46 00:02:17,309 --> 00:02:15,360 cnes france has had a long ufo history 47 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:17,319 and received international attention in 48 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:20,160 1954 with a flap that involved reports 49 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:21,120 of ufos 50 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:23,360 called sucoups valance in france at the 51 00:02:28,390 --> 00:02:25,360 time along with occupants 52 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:28,400 french ufologist amae michel published 53 00:02:32,949 --> 00:02:30,720 glimmering lights on flying saucers 54 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:32,959 luers surley sucoups valance 55 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:35,360 that year and became the go-to french 56 00:02:38,790 --> 00:02:36,800 ufo expert 57 00:02:40,470 --> 00:02:38,800 a young jacques filet the model for the 58 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:40,480 scientists claude lacombe 59 00:02:44,229 --> 00:02:42,640 in close encounters of the third kind 60 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:44,239 who'd had a signing himself 61 00:02:48,550 --> 00:02:46,480 wrote to michelle the two became friends 62 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:48,560 and valet developed a lifelong interest 63 00:02:51,589 --> 00:02:49,440 in ufos 64 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:51,599 that he still pursues today as the most 65 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:54,080 famous french-born ufologist 66 00:02:58,309 --> 00:02:56,640 francis space agency is the largest in 67 00:02:59,589 --> 00:02:58,319 europe as a result of charles de 68 00:03:01,830 --> 00:02:59,599 gaulle's determination 69 00:03:03,430 --> 00:03:01,840 to develop a space program independent 70 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:03,440 of the united states 71 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:06,000 gaipan works out of cnes technical 72 00:03:09,509 --> 00:03:07,680 headquarters in toulouse 73 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:09,519 when the program was first established 74 00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:11,040 in 1977 75 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:13,599 it was headed by dr claude poor who when 76 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:15,280 he was director of the scientific 77 00:03:20,070 --> 00:03:18,000 systems and project division of cnes 78 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:20,080 campaigned for its creation along with 79 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:21,360 cnes president 80 00:03:25,589 --> 00:03:24,400 uber client poer was introduced to the 81 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:25,599 ufo mystery 82 00:03:29,750 --> 00:03:27,200 by project blue book scientific 83 00:03:32,149 --> 00:03:29,760 consultant j allen heineck during a trip 84 00:03:34,229 --> 00:03:32,159 to the u.s in 1969. 85 00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:34,239 he kept an association with heineck as a 86 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:36,400 member of a group of scientists with an 87 00:03:40,190 --> 00:03:37,840 interest in ufos 88 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:40,200 known as the invisible college and in 89 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:41,360 1975 90 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:43,680 he presented a statistical analysis of 91 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:45,360 worldwide ufo reports 92 00:03:48,869 --> 00:03:47,440 to the american institute of aeronautics 93 00:03:51,430 --> 00:03:48,879 and astronautics 94 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:51,440 once kippon was established the staff 95 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:53,200 initially consisted of power and a 96 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:54,000 secretary 97 00:03:57,589 --> 00:03:55,760 but it quickly grew to around 10 98 00:03:59,429 --> 00:03:57,599 scientists and engineers 99 00:04:01,110 --> 00:03:59,439 geppin also worked with outside 100 00:04:04,229 --> 00:04:01,120 volunteers and consultants 101 00:04:06,149 --> 00:04:04,239 and gaipan does so today as well gepan 102 00:04:08,390 --> 00:04:06,159 established four classifications for 103 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:08,400 cases that remains in effect today 104 00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:11,280 a perfectly identified phenomenon b 105 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:13,360 probably identified phenomenon 106 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:15,760 c unidentified phenomenon lack of 107 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:16,560 evidence 108 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:19,040 d unidentified phenomenon after 109 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:20,400 investigation 110 00:04:25,189 --> 00:04:23,360 in 1978 poe announced its conclusion to 111 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:25,199 geppen's scientific council 112 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:27,040 that category d sightings were of 113 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:29,440 physical machines of unknown origin 114 00:04:34,469 --> 00:04:32,320 soon after that cnes offered him the 115 00:04:35,030 --> 00:04:34,479 opportunity to take a sabbatical which 116 00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:35,040 he did 117 00:04:38,070 --> 00:04:36,800 and on his return he was no longer 118 00:04:39,749 --> 00:04:38,080 involved with gephan 119 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:39,759 though he retained a personal interest 120 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:41,120 in ufos 121 00:04:44,629 --> 00:04:43,120 gippon established a relationship with 122 00:04:46,469 --> 00:04:44,639 many public agencies 123 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:46,479 and received reports from the air force 124 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:47,840 navy jean-damili 125 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:50,320 nacional weather agencies and local 126 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:51,600 police departments 127 00:04:55,510 --> 00:04:53,280 it was found that the reports from the 128 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:55,520 jean d'amore best suited gephan's 129 00:04:57,830 --> 00:04:56,320 purposes 130 00:05:00,629 --> 00:04:57,840 and that relationship has been 131 00:05:01,670 --> 00:05:00,639 maintained when sepra replaced geppon in 132 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:01,680 1988 133 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:04,080 it was headed by jean-jacques velasco 134 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:05,680 who had been with the program from its 135 00:05:08,469 --> 00:05:06,800 time as geppen 136 00:05:10,469 --> 00:05:08,479 and he stayed in that position until 137 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:10,479 sepa was dissolved in january two 138 00:05:13,830 --> 00:05:11,680 thousand four 139 00:05:15,670 --> 00:05:13,840 that year a book velasco co-authored 140 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:15,680 with nicholas motigiani 141 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:18,320 avnis levidance was published in which 142 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:20,000 velasco stated his belief 143 00:05:23,270 --> 00:05:22,479 that some ufos were of extraterrestrial 144 00:05:25,990 --> 00:05:23,280 origin 145 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:26,000 though sepra no longer existed velasco 146 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:26,400 was 147 00:05:30,070 --> 00:05:28,720 still in charge of mission according to 148 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:30,080 cnes spokesman 149 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:32,400 arnold benedetti during an interview 150 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:34,800 with gregory gutierrez on may 28 151 00:05:38,469 --> 00:05:37,840 2004 gutierrez concluded from the 152 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:38,479 interview 153 00:05:43,909 --> 00:05:40,639 that cnes wasn't concerned with 154 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:43,919 velasco's publicly stated views on ufos 155 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:46,560 in october 2005 it was announced that 156 00:05:49,029 --> 00:05:48,240 the program would be resumed with the 157 00:05:51,029 --> 00:05:49,039 new director 158 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:51,039 yves salad who had recently been the 159 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:52,240 assistant secretary 160 00:05:55,590 --> 00:05:54,320 general for environmental and scientific 161 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:55,600 affairs for nato 162 00:05:58,629 --> 00:05:57,840 it was named gaipan and is operated 163 00:06:01,430 --> 00:05:58,639 under that name 164 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:01,440 up until the present then on march 22nd 165 00:06:04,469 --> 00:06:02,720 2007 166 00:06:06,870 --> 00:06:04,479 under the directorship of jacques 167 00:06:08,950 --> 00:06:06,880 patenae gaipan announced that they were 168 00:06:09,430 --> 00:06:08,960 posting their files online for public 169 00:06:12,070 --> 00:06:09,440 view 170 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:12,080 and they continued to do so to this day 171 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:12,880 cnes 172 00:06:16,870 --> 00:06:14,880 prepared for the announcement by placing 173 00:06:18,469 --> 00:06:16,880 a barrier of security guards in front of 174 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:18,479 the building to screen out 175 00:06:23,629 --> 00:06:21,360 uninvited ufologists according to a cns 176 00:06:25,029 --> 00:06:23,639 official quoted in an article on 177 00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:25,039 news24.com 178 00:06:29,029 --> 00:06:26,880 according to patente the guy pound 179 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:29,039 website crashed within two hours of the 180 00:06:32,230 --> 00:06:30,000 announcement 181 00:06:34,150 --> 00:06:32,240 one case investigated by kaipan was 182 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:34,160 deemed worthy of its own wikipedia 183 00:06:38,469 --> 00:06:36,160 page and it provides an example of how 184 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:38,479 the cnes ufo investigation 185 00:06:42,150 --> 00:06:41,039 operates it's known as the tronson 186 00:06:43,990 --> 00:06:42,160 provence case 187 00:06:45,830 --> 00:06:44,000 and it involved a sighting of a disc 188 00:06:46,309 --> 00:06:45,840 that landed on the ground about 50 189 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:46,319 meters 190 00:06:53,189 --> 00:06:49,840 160 feet away from a farmer on january 8 191 00:06:55,510 --> 00:06:53,199 1981 the farmer renato nikolai 192 00:06:57,830 --> 00:06:55,520 said that it took off almost immediately 193 00:06:59,589 --> 00:06:57,840 and that it left behind burn marks 194 00:07:01,749 --> 00:06:59,599 nikolai reported his sighting to the 195 00:07:03,830 --> 00:07:01,759 local jean-domini the next day 196 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:03,840 they interviewed nikolai took soil and 197 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:05,360 plant samples from the site 198 00:07:09,749 --> 00:07:07,680 and took pictures of the burn marks they 199 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:09,759 notified geppon and that group carried 200 00:07:13,510 --> 00:07:11,280 out their own investigation 201 00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:13,520 gapon's analysis found traces of 202 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:15,360 phosphate and zinc in the samples 203 00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:17,120 that the ground had been compressed by a 204 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:18,960 weight of between four and five 205 00:07:24,029 --> 00:07:20,880 tons and that the ground had been heated 206 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:24,039 to between 300 and 600 degrees celsius 207 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:27,840 572 1112 degrees fahrenheit 208 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:30,240 gapon fell no prosaic explanation for 209 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:31,199 the case 210 00:07:34,790 --> 00:07:33,120 for more cases the reader is urged to 211 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:34,800 visit the gypon website 212 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:37,120 it can be viewed in french or english 213 00:07:41,189 --> 00:07:38,800 and it's easily navigated 214 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:41,199 hopefully if congress agrees to fund a 215 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:42,639 program in the u.s 216 00:08:02,000 --> 00:07:44,800 france's open investigation will serve